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de Bernd 2025-08-04 10:23:59 Nr. 4566
Asking why humanity should invest any effort in deep space, fundamental research that doesn't have any immediate application etc. when there are so many other things we should care about first is the most infuriating example of stupidity Bernd knows. It doesn't just show that the person making such a statement doesn't understand that the world we currently live in is the average of what we're doing, when you remove the positive, futuristic extremes, all you're doing is skewing the average towards the negative things. It also shows the person hasn't enough imagination to realize there are enough people and money in the world to do everything at the same time. Such people shouldn't have any say on anything.
Is finding dark matter more fun than saving dark people from hunger?
>>4569 The whole point is we don't have to choose between the two.
Also, the scale is so different. Switzerland is buying 36 fighter planes that cost more than LHC. Not the Swiss contribution to LHC. The entire thing.
>>4590 And for no reason except for a made-up threat of hurpy-durp Russia gon' invade us.
>>4591 >made-up threat I used to think this was made up, but Russia has convinced me otherwise. I think one could save quite some money from being in a defence treaty, but your country and mine both don't seem to like that idea (yours only recently)
>>4591 The US maintains a 100 billion a year nuclear arsenal because of the Russians.
>>4593 > but Russia has convinced me otherwise. Even if Russia was bellicose, it has shown it can barely handle a failed state run by a crooked Cocaine addict and 60 year old conscripts. They also have refrained from doing massive they are clearly capable of doing. Putin is disgusting, but he's not a genocidal or aggressive maniac. >>4594 > The US maintains a 100 billion a year nuclear arsenal because of the Russians. It's for maintaining a world-dominating empire, and that train left the building in the 1940s and hasn't stopped. It's not just Russia, but the entire world. And even during the Cold-War the Russian threat was massively exaggerated in order to build up our war-making capabilities to project world dominance, and to enrich the military industries and other profiteers.
>>4597 > Even if Russia was bellicose, it has shown it can barely handle a failed state run by a crooked Cocaine addict and 60 year old conscripts. They also have refrained from doing massive they are clearly capable of doing. Putin is disgusting, but he's not a genocidal or aggressive maniac. Ah, another "Putin-Versteher" repeating the old lies.
>>4604 Maybe it's better to ignore him. Also, the point "we could fund amazing science instead of building weapons" is true for Russia. JINR costs a tiny fraction of what they spend on killing Ukrainian civilians.
>>4605 The sad truth about science in Russia is that Putin cannot allow clever people in any position of power, and Russian science is therefore dead anyways. Back in early 2020 when Bernd still worked for an university, he did a lot of research into the Russian "crackdown" on scientists and wrote a long article about it for a major German news publication. Some here might remember Russian scientists being accused of treason, their institutes being raided by police, etc. Few people know the regime had also instituted lots of new rules for contacts between scientists and foreigners in August of 2019, like every meeting now having to be registered with the government, scientists having to provide written notes about what was talked about, and foreigners no longer being allowed to bring any electronic device with a possible recording function (including smartwatches) into Russian institutes. It took months to repel these rules, and I guess they might be back in effect now. This already started happening two and a half years before Putin invaded Ukraine, in a clear attempt to silence everybody intelligent enough to maybe become a danger to his system, either by potentially opposing him politically or because they would destroy the system from within if he accepted their power and pulled them into his ranks (intelligent people understand there's no point in pointless violence, but a Mafia system is built only on pointless violence). So they made up fake espionage charges and such and cleansed whole academic departments. Stalin did the exact same thing e.g. to Andrei Tupolev in 1937. I know it's easy to fool oneself into believing Russia must still be the academic power it was decades ago, but what I describe here was just the end of the development. Everybody truly capable of something has either left the country or become a victim of the regime by now. The remaining workforce is plagued by plagiarism (no pun intended) to an extreme degree. Whole engineering departments even at companies like Sukhoi (military planes) have been found out to have obtained fake degrees. Multiple of the prestigious Russian universities are at the top of the worst offenders worldwide when it comes to plagiarism. Instead of fixing the issue, Russia has been trying to shut down internet platforms tracking this, like DisserNet, for years - probably because many top politicians including Putin (he is accused of having plagiarised whole pages from an English economy book for his dissertation) are part of the problem. Sorry for the TL;DR. Your post just made me remember all of this, and I find it truly, uttlery sad.
>>4607 Back in the mid 2010s, Bernd got an internship in a physics institute in Russia. For complicated reasons, he couldn't go, but the people were quite open and welcoming. The contact died before 2019, so I must've missed that development. I have heard that some institutes are 100% loyal to Putin, but others with more contact to the west aren't. But that was ~2 years ago when people were discussing how to collaborate with Russian institutes as a reaction to the war. Also, I know several scientists that fled Russia since the beginning of the war. It's really sad.
>>4566 We've already tried it your way, mindlessly diving head first into the abyss of technical progress, blindly believing that nothing could possibly go wrong if we just subvert the foundations of Aristotelian philosophy and "correct" him. Look what came of it, with all your precious progress and research: people are become more miserable than ever, their being is aimless, their existence is slavery, they are blind to their Dasein, and they are caught in a hamster wheel of insanity from the day they develop consciousness. Yet you and the likes of you still persist in pretending like if we just could unravel the mystery of spontaneous symmetry breaking, turn every place in the world into a multicultural Californian Turing vollständig parade, or produce enough aluminium cans filled with Coca Cola for the rest of the world, then everybody will live happily ever after. >>4593 >but Russia has convinced me otherwise Did it now? Remind me, when exactly did this mysterious convincing Russian plot to invade Switzerland surface? >>4594 The US maintains a nuclear arsenal because it makes them geopolitically untouchable.
>>4660 >Remind me, when exactly did this mysterious convincing Russian plot to invade Switzerland surface? I think between forgetting to take your meds and submitting your comment, you have fucked up that sentence. Whatever you tried to say, it's probably stupid.
>>4661 How about you fuck off back to school and learn English then, pretentious triggered clown.
>>4662 Oh, mother of all garden path sentences. To me, "plot" was a verb and "surface" was a noun for a good minute. The grammar checks out. Based on the meaning, you're a troll, Putin fanboy or literal schizo, so I still don't feel like engaging with you much further.
>>4664 Based on your response you frequent r/europe. Didn't expect any answer other than a deflect from a cocaine führer's fangirl, who's going around the web narrating "personal accounts" of having anxiety about the imminent Russian invasion of Switzerland. Jesus Christ, the echo chambers some people dwell in...
>>4665 >even more schizophrenic rambling For the record: I don't frequent plebbit and I have no idea who that cocaine führer is. Assuming that it's an actual meme and not just further schizophrenia.
The learn more about fundamental physics and get a chance to disprove the eternalist concept of time
>>4660 >a world without god >posts pictures of people living in a country completely dominated by (the belief in the christian) god and where even people who claim to know better still obey it's logic and moral mandates under different guises >the godless people in question are literally just demanding to be less subjugated by religious authority >a religious authority which literally had no opinion on these issues for millennia until the latter half of the last century >most of those people still probably believe in (the christian) god anyway >ignores the existence of all other deeply religious nations, specially the abrahamic sphere, like in middle east and latin america >ignores the existence of all moderately secular nations, like the netherlands and norway>>4660

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>>4739 Write like a normal human being, I'm not going to waste my time trying to decipher your ironic greentext excuses. The picture is a critique of the Modernity's and the post-modern world's obsession with the rejection of the transcendence, juxtaposing the fever dreams of the maniacal positivists with the demented hellish landscape of the contemporary being that has resulted directly from their five century-long obsession with "correcting" Aristotle and blindly aspiring unbridled technological progress.