/int/ - International

Probably gommunism

>>12309 Yet a place like Rostock has terrible vs for example Dresden?

>>12310 Also funny how Berliners with immigrant background have the lowest iq of the table.

Bremen wins again t. Bremen

>>12313 Infighting means we all lose and the other countries win

Shows how much nurture there is in the IQ. I doubt that Bavaria has both the generically superior natives AND immigrants. They probably have good schools.

>pisa score and IQ no shitskins >lower GDP per Capita/income weak economy and weak attitude inherited from gommunism

>>12315 Could be different populations of immigrants.

>>12315 >They probably have good schools. That much is true. It's one of the few German Länder where not everyone gets an A. Grades in much of the rest of Germany have become ridiculous.

>not a single region where average immigrant IQ reaches 100 Damn.

>>12317 They are very different

Because PISA and IQ test results obviously have nothing to do with economic realities? Maybe OP needs a PISA and IQ test.

>>12315 Yes, it's clearly a matter of good funding/high GDP/high incomes, but they also probably attracted a lot of talent, intelligent people, so maybe like "positive immigration".

>>12315 I also read that in the mid 2000s, Bavaria, Saxony and Thuringia resisted a federal wide educational reform to make the system more inclusive, meanwhile Berlin and Bremen were the ones who most tried to make education inclusive.

>>12393 "Inclusive" education is bullshit. Bad students are dragging the good ones down, and they aren't going to contribute much to research and economy anyway. I had one maths teacher who just ignored the bad students, and by the end of the year, we could do some fun stuff for a week because we were ahead of the schedule (i.e. what we should have learned by the end of the year). With all other maths teachers, we were permanently behind. I later studied something difficult, and it was a struggle for me (not for everyone), but lowering standards? Nah, it needs to be difficult (for the right reasons of course) or it would be worthless.

Socialism

>>12417 Inclusive education only works if the government provides the adequate resources. Some of Bernd's teacher friends quit their job because of this. They get 2-3 little shits in a class that need 1:1 supervision and then 1-2 pedagogues to supervise them. That's already bad enough, but if they are sick or otherwise missing, the teacher is alone with a class plus these high maintenance kids. That burns out the teachers and they don't have enough time for any of the kids. Everyone suffers. I'm pretty sure it could work, but no one is willing to pay to make it work.

>>12417 >>12445 But isn't the German system a bit inefficient? Segregating students into different school tracks when they are only 10 years old, seems wasteful. So if someone is a late bloomer he will be forever a plumber or electrician? Meanwhile the high performers are concentrated and receiving investment. I guess if Bremen and Berlin didn't offer a more inclusive education it would be a crisis, because they are also places with a huge number of immigrants, whereas Saxony is the classical homogeneous eastern state (and Thuringia has Jena, Erfurt, concentration of universities and research centers).

>>12489 What is even the point of having an education track dedicated only to vocational/technical education, if the economy is most knowledge based?

>>12489 >So if someone is a late bloomer he will be forever a plumber or electrician No, not forever. One can still obtain a leading role or even go to school again and study if they want to.

>>12490 Technicians can have plenty of knowledge. I don't know why it's seen as so worthless in Germany, here they make good money and are respected experts.

>>12445 >I'm pretty sure it could work It does. With special schools for those high-maintenance kids. The thing is, and most people working in education will tell you that behind closed doors: You can never get these kids up to speed, like you can't make a tortoise out of a snail. But you WILL disrupt the kids who could, and thus instead of generating an environment that pulls up the bad kids it just drags everyone down. But let's not kid ourselves and say that this isn't the goal. People with a good education aren't as easy to control and influence.

>>12489 > So if someone is a late bloomer he will be forever a plumber or electrician You can switch tracks, it just takes some effort.

>>12593 >It does. With special schools for those high-maintenance kids That's the opposite of inclusive education though. >But let's not kid ourselves and say that this isn't the goal. People with a good education aren't as easy to control and influence. Loosen your tinfoil hat.

>>12489 > But isn't the German system a bit inefficient? Everything in Germany is inefficient. > Segregating students into different school tracks when they are only 10 years old, seems wasteful. Jup, has been the topic of public debate for decades. It's getting better though. The lowest tier, the Hauptschule, is dying, and the highest tier, the Gymnasium, will be next. > So if someone is a late bloomer he will be forever a plumber or electrician? No. Has never been the case. Germany has more education tracks than most other countries. I Bernd droped out of school without getting any qualification to go to university, but retook those lessons in a year-long evening course years later and now I have a masters degree in Computer Science even though I have been working a normal job all the time. Several of my colleagues did similar things. It doesn't even have to be expensive, it's just a time committment.

>>12650 What is your opinion of Thuringia regelschule? What makes a locality good or bad in education in Germany!

No Mustafa and Aishe.

>>12654 The further south the better

>>12654 > What makes a locality good or bad in education in Germany! The parents. Regardless if they're morons who can't educate their children or helicopter parents who constantly demand stuff for their precious, spoiled offspring, good teachers quickly find out where they get the worst treatment and avoid those places.

brown people make you rich