/int/ - International

I would stay and try to defend myself, not my country. Where else would i go?

I’d there’s a war here, there’s a war with NATO. Or NATO has fallen and Ruzzia came all the way here. Either way, there’s nowhere to go, so might as well stay and die to the nuclear bombs falling on us.

>>19740 At least Switzerland has enough bunkers

I have enough money to survive for at least a decade in southeast asia. I will go there and hope that the war will take as many german boomers as possible.

>>19743 If there’s a war that involves Germany, it’s a war that involves NATO. Either, China is involved and expands to SEA because they might as well, or they’re neutral but expand to SEA because everyone else is too busy to stop them. Taiwan, the Philippines, Vietnam, they’re all really bad places to be at the beginning of the next world war. And if the Chinese succeed there, why wouldn’t they do a Japan and keep going?

>>19747 South America is a good place

There won't be any big war tbh. But I think I'd flee if my country was the aggressor; stay if it was the victim.

No 21st century country is worth dying for. Unironically if you aren't able to flee with your loved ones, it's better to be a coward traitor in prison for evading conscription than it is to die by a drone in a trench. 'Patsy' is next to 'patriot' in the dictionary for a reason. I don't expect another war will hit Europe anytime soon. Russia and Ukraine will be contained until resolution and no European country will put their soldiers in the meatgrinder.

>>19753 >No 21st century country is worth dying for Does that imply there are 20th century countries worth dying for (or other historical nations)?

>>19747 >China is involved and expands to SEA >because everyone else is too busy to stop them I'm not too busy.

>>19754 Most of my life has been spent living in the 21st century, so that's the only period I feel strongly enough to comment about. I do believe that the idea of "fighting for your country" was a lot less laughable to e.g. a young British man in living in Edwardian Britain or young German living in Imperial Germany than either of their modern versions, at the very least. And I can understand why. In hindsight, you could make a strong case that it wasn't, but still.

>>19753 >No 21st century country is worth dying for That is because you don't fight for a "country", you fight for your people, your family, your home and because you don't want to yield to some invader. It's a matter of principle, not politics. Hell, if an invader's only goal were to kill all your politicans, I would help them round them up.

>>19763 Lots of Ukrainians still fight even though their parents, wives and children are somewhere in the west in safety.

>>19764 Ok, and your point being?

>>19763 >That is because you don't fight for a "country", you fight for your people, your family, your home and because you don't want to yield to some invader. >It's a matter of principle, not politics. Therefore one is more or less willing to fight for one's country depending on his feeling of ownership towards said country. Am I at home or do I live in someone else's home? Someone who has no regard for my needs and wants? That seems to be the question that answers whether one would fight for his country or not, tbh.

I don't want to die or be in the army because I am too busy as it is. Genshin dailies don't do themselves. But I don't know if I could leave either. That sounds expensive and complicated. I would just lay low.

I agree with young Cali bernd. In the 20th century, people did fight for their country, their flag, their freedoms. You could motivate people with abstractions because there were nationalist sentiments. Most of that is gone. Globalization, mass migration, social media has knocked it out. Most nationalist sentiment now is almost a parody. We're Canadian because we have maple syrup and aren't Americans. The Dutch have tulips. The Swiss have cookoo clocks.

Just to clarify, I think Ukrainians are an exception. Their country still has some rough edges to their identity, amplified by pre-war tensions with Russia. The rest of the West has lost the will to war, there aren't fights we're willing to spill blood for anymore. We fine with war by only if the actual troops are far from the battleground.

If American soil is invaded I'll fight, if the gubment wants me to die for "democracy" overseas except Japan, I'm out. The West is completely decadent, the governments I would be fighting to defend have no more love for me or people like me than our worst enemies. Taiwan doesn't even take its own defense seriously. South Korea would probably be better off under Juche than the hell its currently heading towards.

Im too old to be called up and I never was in the army anyway. However, Europe will drown in blood soon and nobody here will escape the onslaught of the Muslims and Africans. It will be like the Migration Period mixed with Rwanda-style massacres.

>>19785 Actually in Ukraine it's the old that get called up not the young. Society has a different attitude about forcing boys to war now.

>>19763 Fighting for a family is much less persuasive if you can flee somewhere with them, and fighting for your people is much less persuasive when your people's future is increasingly in doubt even without a war to deplete what's left of its youth. The average German's citizen's age in 1910 was ~22 years old. That was the face of your people that you would be fighting in the trenches for in WW1. A nation filled with young men and women with whom you shared important commonalities and a general sense of community, and brimming with children who in case of your death you could be assured would carry the torch on and keep your people going in the future. Today it's around 45 years old, and it's going to be even older if you actually narrow it down to ethnic Germans alone. A bunch of old Gunthers, almost all of whom never fought for their country themselves, telling young Bernds to eat shit on the frontline while they watch from back home. Unless you're dealing with an army that's the equivalent of 13th century Mongols and it's already at your doorstep so you aren't left with much choice, I fail to see how anyone can see this situation and think, "Yeah, I'm taking up arms and putting my life on the line to protect this!" Some sentimental attachment to dirt? I like my country's scenery and appreciate that it hosted my people for so long, but I'd need more to actually risk dying for it. Fighting for your family and your country isn't necessarily complementary, either. If you die, your family loses a son/husband/brother/father. That's a big cost for... what? The odds of your individual participation being the difference between defeat and victory is about as close to nil as it can get. In almost every case, your family would objectively be better off if you were there to look out for them, even in the case of war. One of the biggest problems today is that men like us were historically the expendable sex. A country could basically always afford to lose some; it could even be stabilizing. This isn't a privilege most developed states can afford anymore. Countries deep in an aging demographic crisis fighting any sort of serious war are just digging their own graves faster, regardless of outcome. Every soldier's death represents not a sacrifice for a better tomorrow as much as another likely nail in the nation's coffin. This is what makes fighting in war today so much more of a bitter prospect. It's pissing away the future under the pretext that it's protecting it. I think mine and other Bernds lives are worth more than that.

I will fight because someone has to and I don’t see that much value in my life. It’s better to die with a purpose.

>>19785 If it does come down to ethnic war in Europe, Europeans will win. Even if most modern men are soyboys who will panic and cower in the face of death, a single regiment of current or ex-military can curbstomp an army of disorganized Rwanda-style killers. "Fear the strong, bully the weak" is the mindset of most of the world, including the masses of resentful aliens in Europe. The moment they meet serious resistance they'll fold. This is why they were conquered by Europeans in the first place.

>>19773 >The Swiss have cookoo clocks. I would gladly die in a war against Canada now.

I will just stay home. I've already served my prison sentence for refusing to serve so they can't put me in prison again for the same crime.

>>19813 They will drag you from your home to the frontline, see Ukraine

>>19813 How long was your sentence and why didn't you serve? You weren't actually going to go to war.

>>19815 If they do that then they have declared the rule of law no longer exists and they are criminals. I will shoot them if they give me a gun.

>>19820 They just change the law lol

Depends on the war. I'm not enthusiastic about dying for Orbán or the opposition or Western Euros. The current hawkish Westerners are trying to beat the stinging nettles with the Easter Euros' cocks. Easy for them. But different situations can occur, not just the current one fearmongered by Western leftlib media and politicians ie Russia will attack NATO. I won't come up with these scenarios now. >>19787 More than one reasons why the Russo-Ukraine war is the war of the middle aged. From the top of my heda here's 2: 3. older generations went through conscription and had training in a branch of the military. 4. demographics: the ~20 years old generation is the least numerous, so they try to preserve them. 5. older guys are already broken and intimidated by life, the social order, the injustices of life, the battles with bureaucracy and corrupt politicians, they more prone to accept everything how it is and do how they were told.

>>19815 >>19822 It's way better for a military if they have personnel who is willing to serve than unreliable ones who might sabotage things and need another man to oversee them in case they don't fuck up for carelessness or on purpose, or desert. Yes in Ukraine there are many who are dragged away, and desertions are all time high. Yes there are people who sent to suicide missions, but that reflects the short heda sovok thinking of some (many?) AFU officers.

>>19813 based and good

>>19818 the sentence is six months which is muchmore than what you would spend in prison if convictes for assault

>>19822 it is a universal principle of criminal law that you can't sentence someone twice for the same crime <ne bis in idem, nigga

>>19829 If you murder somebody twice does that mean you can't be charged the second time?

>>19829 They will just forcibly draft you, it’s not about sentencing you to anything

Btw I don’t know a single person who recommended staying here in the case of war, even my family said I should flee to some other country to escape the draft and they’d support me financially

>>19832 >Jonne, you've refused to join the military in the past and you're refusing again. Well, here's a weapon and access to critical infrastructurep, pls no teamkill. They'd probably try to force you to do some non-critical labour, but most likely you'd end up interned or hanged for desertion.

>>19834 They don't hang people even upon the Ukraine. Tho can't hang hundreds of thousands of people that would pale battle losses.

>>19832 Refusing military service is a crime, to be punished for it you need to be tried in court

>>19830 You just invented a whole new level of retard. How do you murder someone who is already dead? You can't murder people twice.

>>19850 You murder a person two times but the person you murder is a different person. Ie, you murder two people.

>>19854 Murdering someone twice does not mean murdering two people. Same as hitting someone twice does not mean hitting two people and jumping over a fence twice does not mean jumping over two fences. Doing it twice means the object remains the same. Murdering two different people are two different murders, different crimes, and you can be sentenced for two different crimes. Murdering somebody twice is not possible and you can't be sentenced twice for the same murder as if you would have murdered them twice.

>>19868 It can mean that just like eating a hamburger twice doesn't mean you ate the same hamburger twice. Refusing military service twice in two different contexts is 2 different crimes.

>>19868 you have major assburger

>>19868 Hitting someone twice will count as two offences though. If you do it in quick succession, you will probably only get one punishment for it, but if you wait a couple of years, it will be completely separate.

>>19870 No, it can't. Eating a hamburger twice does not mean eating two different hamburgers. Eating a hamburger twice means you ate it and threw it up and then ate it again. And refusing twice is not two different crimes. Why do you have to be such a massive retard that you make up stuff how about justice systems work in countries you know nothing about?

I'm way too old for conscription. If they had gone to war when I was 18, I might have joined the forces and had a jolly good time, but I'm 30 now so I can't join anymore. I'm literally retiring age these days, so, basically, it's over for you guys, and I'll be leaving the continent indefinitely.

>>19880 ne bis in idem is applied universally not just in finland

>>19881 You have a perfect age. Conscription age on the ukraine is from 25-60. Younglings are way to scarce in wectern cunts to satisfy the bloodlust of war.

Does anyone know what general conscripts actually get used for in the case of war? Could I for example end up driving a tank or do only professional soldiers get to do that?

>>19913 Generally speaking conscripts do everything except higher officer positions but obviously countries have their own systems so there is no answer unless you give a specific country that actually has a conscript system at the moment.

>>19913 they draft for combat roles. being in the military in case of war is safer than being military age since you already got trained to do support shit. even in a combat role you seniority and they people to train and give orders then there's branches of the 'military' like the navy where its just a government job with more shouting. more UK civilians probably died of bombs than sailors killed in ww2. imagine being in the russian navy right now, safer than a civilian in muscow in event of a tomahak missile flying in

>>19929 >being in the russian navy right now, safer than a civilian yeah, tell it to the lads on Moskva

>>19938 yeah and how many of the crew died, 50? 100? definitely safer than being a civilian in kiev, remains to be seen for russian civilians (not counting the civilians that got 2-3 weeks of training and NATO refused to even classify as soldiers lol)

>>19943 sure, seems totally safe

As of October 10, 2025, the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) has verified at least 14,383 Ukrainian civilians killed im not explaining statistics to a slavage

>>19962 14k/40M What's the ratio for the Ruzzian navy?

>>19963 maybe 500/160k i take those odds over living in kiev (which isnt 14k/40m) just over terror bombing not even counting the fact you are a mobilization target

>>19966 The odds are ten times higher... >im not explaining statistics to a slavage

>>19967 yeah 40 million people live in kiev, you did get me to reply though slav apes....you win this round with post soviet double speak

>>19929 I couldn't find a breakdown of casualties by branch for Britain but in Germany 11.5% of Naval personell were killed compared to 30.9% of Army personell. However, in Italy 12% of Naval personell were killed compared to 8.1% of Army personnel.

>>19970 What are the odds for Kyiv?

>>19913 Conscription goes like this: you get a basic training where they build fitness, you learn what is to be a soldier (learn how you dress, how you talk to the superiors, learn ranks, how to obey orders, etc), learn how to handle your personal weapons. Then you get sorted to a branch (infantry, armor, artillery, engineers, recon, marine, airborne, etc etc etc) and you learn how to be a soldier in that particular branch, context and team. Then you learn how to be a cog in the larger scheme, such as in combined arms applications of the army, when branches cooperate with each other in a battle or operation. Depending you might or might not have a say where you're going to serve, they might or might not examine your aptitude as well. So as conscript normally you can learn everything short of becoming a pilot and such, roles which demands professional knowledge. This takes some time, the bare minimum would be six months. More the better. War can change a lot tho.

>>19801 >I would gladly die in a war against Canada now. Your non-existent Swiss navy could beat Canada's theoretically existent navy: >Canada paid $750 million for four used Victoria-class Royal Navy submarines in 1998. They had been decommissioned [by the UK] in 1993. They are to remain operational into the mid-to-late 2030s. One caught fire before deployment and took 11 years to repair. Another hit the ocean floor and took 10 years to repair.

>>20128 What do you mean by non-existent?

>>20129 That is some clever branding. If they accept bulk military purchases by the tonne, Canada could finally make its submarines waterproof.

>>20130 That's lubricant, not sealant, so it will only make the submarine glide better, not more watertight.

>>19813 Why did you not do civilian service?

>>19747 No, NATO will do nothing when Germany gets invaded, because Germany is a weak ass gay homo country everyone hates for flooding Poorope with refugee niggers. NATO will send some token support and Germany will be destroyed. >>19763 >you fight for your people, your family, your home and because you don't want to yield to some invader. Too late. Germany has been sold to the kikes and resold many times over. >>19785 Lol you can still be thrown into the meat grinder, your body is useful for absorbing enemy bullets. Don't want the Russians to take Europe from your kike masters!

No. So far as I see it, every significant institution in this country has taken a shit on my head and wanted to be thanked for the free hat. Because I see stupid(er) shit on the horizon, I am moving to a safe country next year and will live off the sale of my house.

>>20454 Where are you going?

>>20455 Argentina, Chile, maybe Perú

I would defend the country but on my own terms. I'm a fairly effective engineer so I'd work in defense. Grandpa survived by being on the home front, I intend to do the same.

I have a foolproof plan: I'll scream.