/int/ - International

>>19813 They will drag you from your home to the frontline, see Ukraine

>>19813 How long was your sentence and why didn't you serve? You weren't actually going to go to war.

>>19815 If they do that then they have declared the rule of law no longer exists and they are criminals. I will shoot them if they give me a gun.

>>19820 They just change the law lol

Depends on the war. I'm not enthusiastic about dying for Orbán or the opposition or Western Euros. The current hawkish Westerners are trying to beat the stinging nettles with the Easter Euros' cocks. Easy for them. But different situations can occur, not just the current one fearmongered by Western leftlib media and politicians ie Russia will attack NATO. I won't come up with these scenarios now. >>19787 More than one reasons why the Russo-Ukraine war is the war of the middle aged. From the top of my heda here's 2: 3. older generations went through conscription and had training in a branch of the military. 4. demographics: the ~20 years old generation is the least numerous, so they try to preserve them. 5. older guys are already broken and intimidated by life, the social order, the injustices of life, the battles with bureaucracy and corrupt politicians, they more prone to accept everything how it is and do how they were told.

>>19815 >>19822 It's way better for a military if they have personnel who is willing to serve than unreliable ones who might sabotage things and need another man to oversee them in case they don't fuck up for carelessness or on purpose, or desert. Yes in Ukraine there are many who are dragged away, and desertions are all time high. Yes there are people who sent to suicide missions, but that reflects the short heda sovok thinking of some (many?) AFU officers.

>>19813 based and good

>>19818 the sentence is six months which is muchmore than what you would spend in prison if convictes for assault

>>19822 it is a universal principle of criminal law that you can't sentence someone twice for the same crime <ne bis in idem, nigga

>>19829 If you murder somebody twice does that mean you can't be charged the second time?

>>19829 They will just forcibly draft you, it’s not about sentencing you to anything

Btw I don’t know a single person who recommended staying here in the case of war, even my family said I should flee to some other country to escape the draft and they’d support me financially

>>19832 >Jonne, you've refused to join the military in the past and you're refusing again. Well, here's a weapon and access to critical infrastructurep, pls no teamkill. They'd probably try to force you to do some non-critical labour, but most likely you'd end up interned or hanged for desertion.

>>19834 They don't hang people even upon the Ukraine. Tho can't hang hundreds of thousands of people that would pale battle losses.

>>19832 Refusing military service is a crime, to be punished for it you need to be tried in court

>>19830 You just invented a whole new level of retard. How do you murder someone who is already dead? You can't murder people twice.

>>19850 You murder a person two times but the person you murder is a different person. Ie, you murder two people.

>>19854 Murdering someone twice does not mean murdering two people. Same as hitting someone twice does not mean hitting two people and jumping over a fence twice does not mean jumping over two fences. Doing it twice means the object remains the same. Murdering two different people are two different murders, different crimes, and you can be sentenced for two different crimes. Murdering somebody twice is not possible and you can't be sentenced twice for the same murder as if you would have murdered them twice.

>>19868 It can mean that just like eating a hamburger twice doesn't mean you ate the same hamburger twice. Refusing military service twice in two different contexts is 2 different crimes.

>>19868 you have major assburger

>>19868 Hitting someone twice will count as two offences though. If you do it in quick succession, you will probably only get one punishment for it, but if you wait a couple of years, it will be completely separate.

>>19870 No, it can't. Eating a hamburger twice does not mean eating two different hamburgers. Eating a hamburger twice means you ate it and threw it up and then ate it again. And refusing twice is not two different crimes. Why do you have to be such a massive retard that you make up stuff how about justice systems work in countries you know nothing about?

I'm way too old for conscription. If they had gone to war when I was 18, I might have joined the forces and had a jolly good time, but I'm 30 now so I can't join anymore. I'm literally retiring age these days, so, basically, it's over for you guys, and I'll be leaving the continent indefinitely.

>>19880 ne bis in idem is applied universally not just in finland

>>19881 You have a perfect age. Conscription age on the ukraine is from 25-60. Younglings are way to scarce in wectern cunts to satisfy the bloodlust of war.

Does anyone know what general conscripts actually get used for in the case of war? Could I for example end up driving a tank or do only professional soldiers get to do that?

>>19913 Generally speaking conscripts do everything except higher officer positions but obviously countries have their own systems so there is no answer unless you give a specific country that actually has a conscript system at the moment.

>>19913 they draft for combat roles. being in the military in case of war is safer than being military age since you already got trained to do support shit. even in a combat role you seniority and they people to train and give orders then there's branches of the 'military' like the navy where its just a government job with more shouting. more UK civilians probably died of bombs than sailors killed in ww2. imagine being in the russian navy right now, safer than a civilian in muscow in event of a tomahak missile flying in

>>19929 >being in the russian navy right now, safer than a civilian yeah, tell it to the lads on Moskva

>>19938 yeah and how many of the crew died, 50? 100? definitely safer than being a civilian in kiev, remains to be seen for russian civilians (not counting the civilians that got 2-3 weeks of training and NATO refused to even classify as soldiers lol)

>>19943 sure, seems totally safe

As of October 10, 2025, the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) has verified at least 14,383 Ukrainian civilians killed im not explaining statistics to a slavage

>>19962 14k/40M What's the ratio for the Ruzzian navy?

>>19963 maybe 500/160k i take those odds over living in kiev (which isnt 14k/40m) just over terror bombing not even counting the fact you are a mobilization target

>>19966 The odds are ten times higher... >im not explaining statistics to a slavage

>>19967 yeah 40 million people live in kiev, you did get me to reply though slav apes....you win this round with post soviet double speak

>>19929 I couldn't find a breakdown of casualties by branch for Britain but in Germany 11.5% of Naval personell were killed compared to 30.9% of Army personell. However, in Italy 12% of Naval personell were killed compared to 8.1% of Army personnel.

>>19970 What are the odds for Kyiv?

>>19913 Conscription goes like this: you get a basic training where they build fitness, you learn what is to be a soldier (learn how you dress, how you talk to the superiors, learn ranks, how to obey orders, etc), learn how to handle your personal weapons. Then you get sorted to a branch (infantry, armor, artillery, engineers, recon, marine, airborne, etc etc etc) and you learn how to be a soldier in that particular branch, context and team. Then you learn how to be a cog in the larger scheme, such as in combined arms applications of the army, when branches cooperate with each other in a battle or operation. Depending you might or might not have a say where you're going to serve, they might or might not examine your aptitude as well. So as conscript normally you can learn everything short of becoming a pilot and such, roles which demands professional knowledge. This takes some time, the bare minimum would be six months. More the better. War can change a lot tho.

>>19801 >I would gladly die in a war against Canada now. Your non-existent Swiss navy could beat Canada's theoretically existent navy: >Canada paid $750 million for four used Victoria-class Royal Navy submarines in 1998. They had been decommissioned [by the UK] in 1993. They are to remain operational into the mid-to-late 2030s. One caught fire before deployment and took 11 years to repair. Another hit the ocean floor and took 10 years to repair.

>>20128 What do you mean by non-existent?

>>20129 That is some clever branding. If they accept bulk military purchases by the tonne, Canada could finally make its submarines waterproof.

>>20130 That's lubricant, not sealant, so it will only make the submarine glide better, not more watertight.

>>19813 Why did you not do civilian service?

>>19747 No, NATO will do nothing when Germany gets invaded, because Germany is a weak ass gay homo country everyone hates for flooding Poorope with refugee niggers. NATO will send some token support and Germany will be destroyed. >>19763 >you fight for your people, your family, your home and because you don't want to yield to some invader. Too late. Germany has been sold to the kikes and resold many times over. >>19785 Lol you can still be thrown into the meat grinder, your body is useful for absorbing enemy bullets. Don't want the Russians to take Europe from your kike masters!

No. So far as I see it, every significant institution in this country has taken a shit on my head and wanted to be thanked for the free hat. Because I see stupid(er) shit on the horizon, I am moving to a safe country next year and will live off the sale of my house.

>>20454 Where are you going?

>>20455 Argentina, Chile, maybe Perú

I would defend the country but on my own terms. I'm a fairly effective engineer so I'd work in defense. Grandpa survived by being on the home front, I intend to do the same.

I have a foolproof plan: I'll scream.